tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post112351029624909914..comments2023-08-24T06:39:31.113-04:00Comments on Preacher Thoughts: Pastor Ignorant - Joel Osteen Just Doesn't Know!Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-37043653348437267082007-07-22T14:12:00.000-04:002007-07-22T14:12:00.000-04:00Pastor Paul W. Martin, none of us are perfect, not...Pastor Paul W. Martin, none of us are perfect, not even you and if you think you are, I assure you that you are not. In God's sight we are perfect I suppose - but that is contextual. But tell me something, how do you really know about something until it happens to you. Sometimes parents tell kids not do something but the only way they learn is when they do it out of the will of the parents. I am not condoning sins but what I am saying is that I share the belief with Joel that I should not be the one to condemn (when something is taken from the bible, you say its taken from the bible... which was said by someone else who was probably more fit to say it, example what Jesus says)... after all, we're not the ones to judge people's hearts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-40370472706585341652007-01-01T23:48:00.000-05:002007-01-01T23:48:00.000-05:00Joel Osteen teaches people how to get rich under t...Joel Osteen teaches people how to get rich under the guise of that being the Christian Gospel. As far as I can see, and I have preached for over 20 years, God does not care if we ever get rich. He is interested in whether we become acceptable to Him by being covered by the blood of Christ. Character is the big issue with God and not whether we get rich. Please, all preachers, for the sake of all that is holy, stop telling people that the Gospel is about getting rich. There are enough wealth seminars and real estate plans out there to teach us to get rich. The church, however, is the only place someone can go to find out how to get to heaven. Hopefully Osteen will shift and focus on that before he passes into the presence of His God.<br />G. N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1124312382554843102005-08-17T16:59:00.000-04:002005-08-17T16:59:00.000-04:00Hi Chris,Here are my thoughts. I assume you are th...Hi Chris,<BR/>Here are my thoughts. I assume you are thinking of John 12:47. The whole discourse of Jesus reads as follows:<BR/>44 And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me. 45 And whoever sees me sees him who sent me. 46 I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. 47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.”<BR/>Right away you will notice that if you isolate verse 47 from its context, it makes Jesus sound like He has nothing to do with judging anyone at anytime. Far from it! The very next verse says that His words will judge these people He is speaking to.<BR/>“Taking God’s place?” How is applying what God has clearly revealed in His Word amount to taking His place? The Apostle Paul who said we are all to speak the Truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) also instructed pastors of the church to be on guard against (See for example Acts 20:29-30 “I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.” Or 1 Timothy 1:3-7 “As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.”<BR/>In other words, Paul believed that there was a true gospel and that there was a false gospel. One of the duties of a pastor is to point out error: “He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.” (Titus 1:9).<BR/>Don’t get fooled by post-modern gobily gook that suggests there is no definite standard of Truth.<BR/>PWMPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1124304223873455012005-08-17T14:43:00.000-04:002005-08-17T14:43:00.000-04:00I'm intrigued by your criticisms here. Jesus expli...I'm intrigued by your criticisms here. Jesus explicitly stated that he didn't come to judge the world, but to save it - does this mean therefore that we must judge it instead? Because that's how your comments are coming across to me.<BR/><BR/>Osteen is taking the line that God alone is the judge of everyone, and He (God) knows far more than we ever could. I'm happy with that view. Are you trying to take God's place here?<BR/><BR/>Finally I would suggest that you might profit from re-reading 1 John, in particular chapter 2: 9-11. Paul suggests that we speak the truth in love, and Jesus commanded us to love one another. Tearing down a fellow pastor on your website conforms to neither.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1124279098008386792005-08-17T07:44:00.000-04:002005-08-17T07:44:00.000-04:00On Being Angry:I am not sure how you equate postin...On Being Angry:<BR/>I am not sure how you equate posting this transcript with anger?Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1124279015207336182005-08-17T07:43:00.000-04:002005-08-17T07:43:00.000-04:00Quoting the Media:A media report of an event or th...Quoting the Media:<BR/>A media report of an event or the like is easily slanted to reflect the bias of the reporter. My quotes of Osteen were taken from a word-for-word transcript of the interview - that is factual and gives no room for media bias. There is nothing at all contradictory in my statements from what I can see.<BR/><BR/>Posting Private Correspondence:<BR/>I will not post private correspondence on my blog or website - it is private.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529451903923820189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1124196614756470202005-08-16T08:50:00.000-04:002005-08-16T08:50:00.000-04:00My question to you would be this 'Why are you so a...My question to you would be this 'Why are you so angry?' It is obvious that it extends beyond what you think you are angry about.<BR/><BR/>It may be the case that if you spent as much time examining your own life as you do the life of others then you would be far richer for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1124102938081182742005-08-15T06:48:00.000-04:002005-08-15T06:48:00.000-04:00I am puzzled by your comments; in an earlier post ...I am puzzled by your comments; in an earlier post regarding 'Religious Bullying' you suggest that the media cannot be trusted to report the facts.<BR/><BR/><B> Notice how these lines get blurred in the media... if persecution does fall upon Christians in North America, much of it will find its root in this kind of misinformation. </B><BR/><BR/>Yet now you claim that they can be trusted in the matter of Osteen.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you could clarify which you think because presently your thinking seems to be contradictory.<BR/><BR/>You also seem to overlook the teaching of Jesus when he said 'if your brother is wrong, then go to him privately first' Did you do this by email or letter and if so could you please post Osteens reply?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1124097435689904862005-08-15T05:17:00.000-04:002005-08-15T05:17:00.000-04:00I'm sorry that you put this post up. I'm not sure ...I'm sorry that you put this post up. I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, I suppose it makes Osteen look stupid if nothing else, however I'm sure that you being as clear about what the Bible says you are aware that 1 Cor 13 says 'love does not delight in the failing of others.' This post would seem to have the opposite spirit - so I'm sad that a man who wants to show the love of Christ would do this to a fellow pastor. Surely you have known the pain of false accusation and misunderstanding and yet you have made the same error as the unforgiving servant. <BR/><BR/>Osteen may have made some ambiguous statements about issues that are dear to the hearts of many evangelical Christians, but I wonder how you would fair in the same arena. I have done much TV, radio and press and it is difficult, they are trying to get us to say the wrong things. The best response the Christian community could do is to pray for those in this arena not throw stones. <BR/><BR/>Reading the transcript this man's heart is 'mercy not judgement’; sadly I don’t think you have handled him in the same way.<BR/><BR/>I wish I could leave my name on this blog, but fear the same unloving treatment would be applied to me, suffice to say if you wish to delete this comment because you feel it's been left by some ‘LIBERAL waste of time’ then feel free to do so. I pray that the Lord will fill you with the same spirit of grace that filled Jesus and that you will learn the ways of Christ not just the words.<BR/><BR/>BTW I am a Pastor of a large congregation in the UK, Bible believing lovers of Jesus and that's why your post hurts me even more.<BR/><BR/>Please examine your heart, I'm not asking you to change your theology just your methods, you may well be fighting the right battles in the wrong way and in doing so, doing more harm to the gospel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11006198.post-1123541115427721702005-08-08T18:45:00.000-04:002005-08-08T18:45:00.000-04:00Thanks Pastor Paul...lots to think about. This is ...Thanks Pastor Paul...lots to think about. This is so sad read. Please hear me well, its not the man I have difficulty with its what he belives and states(or rather, doesnt state) that troubles me. As a "pastor", what he states should be in line with the Bible...if he believes it. He should say "Gods Word says" not "I say". He uses 'I' alot. Sorry, Mr Osteen I dont want to know your opinion ,I want to know God. Gods word is the standard, not our opinions. Osteen states he believes somthing and then denies it(if not explicitly, at least by implication...eg stating Jesus is the only way, yet implies that God saves through other means) He doesnt call sin, sin. Im not sure what he call it, but I know what God calls it. God calls it sin! If Osteen says he believes the Bible literally, then denies truth that it contains, thats very damning to those who are listening and beliving what he says and for him as well. If he was either outright denying something or beliving somthing absolutly, that would be better than telling people he doesnt know and being divided in what he says and leading people astray. At least you would know where he stands. Mixing truth with error is deception. If he doesnt know what he belives or what the Bible says, have someone on the show who will answer the questions properly and tell people the truth, rather than not giving a proper answer to very serious questions that people are desperatly seeking answers to. These are peoples souls that are at stake! I would rather be spoken of as a holy man of God than a smiling pastor...I dont want a pastor who is known as 'the smiling pastor'! I want a pastor who preaches the truth!! We are in a war, smiling faces dont change peoples hearts. Only God does and all the glory is His alone. "To God be the Glory"! May we desire God above all things! Thanks Pastor...keep on preaching the truth! Anybody else have any thoughts, comments etc ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com